Oral History of the Viet Nam War with Thomas R. LaVille
An oral history with Thomas Raymond LaVille born September 20th, 1944 in Mason City Iowa. LaVille was drafted at the age of 25, despite being an only child, a school teacher, having a newborn child at home, and having previously broken his third cervical and would go on to serve in both the 1st Infantry Division, colloquially known as "The Big Red One", and the 25th Infantry Division also known as "Tropic Lightning" During his time in-country LaVille served as an infantryman serving as a member of an M60 Machine Gun Crew, a Radio Telephone Operator, among other jobs. Upon being reassigned to the 25th Infantry Division LaVille served out the rest of his tour as a computer analyst.
Thomas LaVille was born on September 20th, 1944 in Mason City Iowa to Clarence and Maxine LaVille, two hardworking Irish-American small business owners. The only child of a couple who had already spent over a decade together, LaVille had a loving and positive relationship with his parents, but some of his fondest memories are of his alone time with his childhood dog.
Growing up in the post-war boom and the early days of the Cold War LaVille has distinct memories of the Red Scare and the fearmongering carried out by the House Un-American Activities Committee and Senator Joseph McCarthy.
LaVille spent his youth split between various jobs, often in his parents grocery store, and having fun with his friends. One of these excursions included a trip to the nearby Surf Ballroom in Clear Lake, Iowa where as a teenager LaVille witnessed the last performance of Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, and the Big Bopper the night before their tragic death in a plane crash.
As a young teenager during a trip with friends to a local lake LaVille dove to the bottom and proceeded to hit his head on the lakebed. Out of embarrassment he kept this fact hidden from his parents for almost a year until he started experiencing chronic headaches. Upon going to the doctor and X-Ray was taken and it was discovered that he had damaged his third cervical vertebrae. Neck soreness and the chronic headaches were to be a fact of life, but the doctor offered up as a consolation the belief that he'd never be drafted.
The Draft and Training
in Fort Knox After time at Mason City Junior College, a gap year in Texas, and getting a degree from Northwest Missouri State College in Maryville, Missouri, LaVille got his first full time teaching job in Britt, Iowa. By this time the Tet Offensive had occurred and public opinion against the war had started to trend towards the negative reaction it would forever become associated with, while deployments and overall military involvement skyrocketed. In November of 1968 he received his first draft notice which he was able to have deferred by the school board who stated that he was integral part of the small community of approximately 2,000. The draft notices kept coming, however and by June when school had finished for the year he was no longer able to secure deferments.
LaVille reported to Camp Dodge with copies of his X-Rays in hand certain that it would disqualify him. To his shock and surprise the military took x-rays of their own and decided that his neck had healed enough to make him eligible for service. To make matters worse LaVille nor any of the other men drafted that day were given time to gather belongings, contact loved ones, are get their affairs in order. It was approximately 3 days until he could phone home
LaVille and the rest of the men indcuted that day were put on a bus to Fort Polk in Louisiana. Fort Polk saw more service members deployed to Viet Nam than any other military training center in the nation. It was here that LaVille and over 1 million others learned the skills they used in the war.
For LaVille and the many others who passed through Fort Polk a day in Basic consisted of rising at 4:00 AM, cleaning the barracks and other duties, running two miles before breakfast, and then after breakfast PT which in a letter home he said stood for "Physical training or Torture depending on which side you are on." After PT were classes followed by lunch, followed by more classes. This was followed up by Drill and Ceremony marches, more PT, dinner, and then night duties and often Fire Watch which meant staying up at night to watch for a fire in the barracks, decreasing the amount of sleep one got that night.
Along with Basic, LaVille completed LPC (Leadership Preparation Course) and AIT (Advanced Infantry Training) during his time at Fort Polk. Before being transfered to Fort Knox in Kentucky to learn how to drive an APC (Armored Personnel Carrier), a job he never did, nor a vehicle he even saw during his time in country. LaVille described his time in training as knowing that he was neither the best, but he certainly wasn't the worst, giving himself a B+ during our interview. An assessment I would categorize as slightly unfair given he was one of the 35 out of 220 men in his company to qualify as an Expert Marksman with the M-14, the Army's training rifle at the time. He scored 473 out of 500 on his physical assessment scores and 63.5 out of 69 on his mental assessment scores placing him above average in both categories. He graduated 8th in his class out of 95 from LPC and was the winner of his final assessment while at APC school in Fort Knox.
One frusturation LaVille voiced was inability to see his family. Going from AIT to APC school he was denied the leave that people going straight from AIT received of a month (24 days + 6 days travel time) and instead was only given 2 weeks (10 days + 6 days travel time) which was to be the first time he'd see either his parents or his wife and child since entering the military 6 months prior.
Perhaps due to his college education LaVille tested very well on his aptitude tests and was recommended for a number of schools, including the NCO (Non-Comissioned Officer) Candidate School, which in letters written home to his parents from training he expressed an interest in attending.
However he later was told that to complete the school he would have to extend his commitment to the military. This was not something he wanted to do, what he wanted to do was get back to his family and his teaching career. Instead he used this fact to his advantage signing up for and starting as many schools as he could only to be told he couldn't finish without extending his commitment, and then moving on to the next one, all in an attempt to delay his deployment as long as he could.
By December of 1969 his luck had run out and a little over a week before Christmas he would be in-country in Viet Nam. Upon arrival at Cam Ranh Bay, LaVille would go through one final phase of training, Snake School or Danger University, he used both in his writings and our interview. The purpose of Snake School was to give freshly arrived troops an orientation on various Vietnamese customs, as well as to prepare them for the unique dangers they would face in the field that may not have been covered at Basic or AIT.
LaVille found himself a member of the 1st Infantry Division ,based out of Di An, which had been one of the first Divisions to arrive in full following an escalation of involvement in 1965. The 1st is the oldest active permanent division of the United States Army officially organized to take part in the Western Front of World War I. Within that LaVille was also a member of the 1/2. Better known as the Black Scarf Battalion for the distinctive Black Scarves they wore around their necks, these scarves were initially fashioned from cloth captured from enemy guerrilla fighters. There's a famous memoir by a soldier who served with the Black Scarves by Joe Fair. "Call Sign Dracula: My Tour with the Black Scarves April 1969 to March 1970" I have been unable to find a copy to read myself but have heard nothing but good things about it so I will recommend it as a resource here.
During his time with the Black Scarves LaVille experienced just about all would think an infantryman could. On his first helicopter ride, he and his friend Jerry had been with him since training and would continue to serve with him to the end of his tour, being a friend to this very day, were seated in the window seats of the helicopter. As the helicopter started to take off, he felt himself about to go out the open door, he panicked until he realized his Sergeant was holding his pack straps, and that it was a sort of initiation. He also dealt with the challenge of hauling up to 80 pounds of equipment on his back sometimes for up to two weeks, and making due with the field rations he had access to, something that growing in a grocery store had prepared him for.
He also saw his fair share of combat during his time with the 1st. He recalled being shot at his first night on guard duty while in a watchtower. He recalled his first full engagement with the enemy as somewhat of a surprise for both parties. His unit had come to a stop on the road and he was watching a large line of termites go down the road following them until they brought his eyes to a group of enemy combatants. After a fast paced firefight LaVille was sent to check the bodies, a task he believes he was given both to mitigate danger to soldiers who had been there longer, and also to gauge his reaction.
Other notable moments during his tour included throwing a live grenade that a member of his unit, Boston, had errantly thrown too close to friendlies. His training kicked in and he remembered he had approximately 10 seconds after the pin was pulled before the grenade would detonate. The throw itself was a second, picking it up and throwing it as far as he could was another second or two, so for the next seven seconds LaVille and his unit running as far and as fast as they could in the only direction that mattered, away. LaVille spent most of his time with the Black Scarves either as a part of the M60 machine gun team, or as an RTO. It was in this latter position that he earned himself his first of two bronze stars. While serving as an RTO LaVille and his unit walked into a small encampment and he used his radio to relay information about enemy movement as well as coordinate allied fire, all while taking part in the combat himself.
Despite the dangers associated with being an infantryman, nearly 1000 soldiers died on their first day in Viet Nam, and the dangers of participating in the search and destroy missions LaVille did, the worst he got himself hurt during his time in country was being stung by a scorpion, a fact he considers himself lucky for. It was not all doom and gloom however. LaVille talks about the closeness of his unit, and the activities they would take part in both in the field and on their downtime. Aside from writing letters home to his wife and parents, LaVille also journaled and took notes of his daily experiences, which he would later write down in the form of a small collection of short stories.
The names that came up most frequently both in his own writings as well as during our interview were Jerry, Puff, Kelly, Pancho, and Mac. Jerry was LaVille's partner when he was part of a gun team, in this capacity they were almost always referred to as a duo, Tom and Jerry. Puff and Kelly were the other gun team with whom LaVille spent time playing cards, usually spades, against. Pancho was the unit's go-to point man for no other reason than he volunteered to do it, something LaVille was happy to let him do. Mac was his Sergeant and by all accounts of Mr. LaVille a friendly, knowledgable, and capable leader. When on his own LaVille's nickname was The Professor, given his civilian job as a teacher. A life-long movie fan, he went to watch movies while at basecamps when he could, reflecting on how often it was projected simply on a sheet, which had the ability to transform the viewing experience. He recalled one instance where he watched Stanley Kubrick's sci-fi classic 2001: A Space Odyssey normally one night, and then the next night laid directly underneath the screen.
With the Vietnamization process in effect President Nixon announced that the 1st Infantry Division would be leaving the country. LaVille was thrilled, he thought he was going home. As it turned out however those who were already on their way out, those who were injured, and many who were already on leave were simply transferred into the 1st to return to Fort Riley in Kansas, while LaVille and many others would find themselves reassigned. While it wasn't the way home, it was a way to get directly out of harm's way.
LaVille sits at a movie screening setup at a camp during downtime.
A punch card.
General William Westmoreland (right)
A short timer's calendar denoting time until one's tour was up
Flying Tiger Airlines, a major personnel and cargo carrier for the military during the Viet Nam war.
After being transfered out of the 1st, LaVille remembers being in a large tent with the rest of the men who had been reassigned to the 25th Infantry Division, based out of Cu Chi. While there an officer asked if any of them were able to type, initially hesitant as they had experience times where being asked if you could type was merely an excuse to get men to unload typewriters from a truck LaVille was convinced by Jerry, who was a constant presence and friend during his tour to find out more. The officer then asked who could type at least 30 words per minute, hands went down, then he went up to 50, more hands went down but LaVille kept his up, and up and up the WPM went and he kept his hand raised. Eventually a small group was told they would be taking a typing test, and if they were not able to perform as promised they would be sent to an isolated listening post as punishment. When LaVille reported to the Sergeant he was told to meet he admitted that he could type maybe 35 WPM, Having some sympathy and perhaps respecting his boldness the sergeant instead had LaVille designated as a 'computer analyst' and that was his job for the rest of his tour.
As a computer analyst LaVille's job consisted of consolidating the data given to him by the typist pool and feeding it into the computer which operated off of punch cards, this would generate a morning report that he would then take to his superiors. LaVille talked about how nice of a change of pace it was to have something resembling a regular job, as well as being able to take a shower daily. It was also at this job that he developed a sort of personal realtionship with General William Westmoreland, whome he often gave the report directly too.
LaVille recounted one morning where he arrived at the building where he normally dropped of his report and was confronted by a Major he had never met. When the Major questioned what he was doing he replied that he was simply there to drop off his report to the general, the Major demanded it and he refused saying that it was only supposed to go the general. The Major became furious and told him to report to his commanding officer. On the way to his CO LaVille used what he called his Viet Nam walk, a slow deliberate walk designed to go as slow as possible in order to pass time, when he returned to the Major repeating what he had previously told him the Major threatened him with military discipline, just then the General showed up, threw his arm around LaVille's shoulder and told the Major, "any time you see this man you let him right on in" and escorted LaVille into the building himself. LaVille admitted he had no reason to not give the report to the Major but has always been bothered by those who exercise authority or pull rank for no reason other than a power trip. He also recounted a complicated trade involving him and his sergeant bringing a desk to the motor pool, receiving a drive shaft, taking the drive shaft to the quartermaster and receiving whiskey, and finally trading that whiskey for steaks which were cooked up and a party was thrown.
As his tour went on, the Nixon administration announced that soldiers with under a certain amount of time left in country would be allowed to simply return home and be on reserve status, without having to actually serve any time stateside. LaVille extended his commitment to meet these requirements, and at the approximately three month mark, that was made the timeframe. He would be going home and be out of the Army almost a year to the day he arrived in country.
When LaVille was getting out, so was Jerry. They were transported to an airport and told that when it was their time their name would be read off a list. Both nervous they would miss their call they agreed to listen for the other's name. It was days before their name was called, spent entirely in their army dress uniforms.
LaVille recalled that after boarding the plane, it was dead silent, with himself thinking that he wouldn't feel comfortable until they were in the air, a constant doubt in his mind telling him that he wouldn't be leaving. When the plane finally took off everyone erupted into cheers, flight attendants blew up beach balls that were batted down the aisles. Landing in Oakland they were given a flight to anywhere in the U.S. to get home. All in all LaVille had experienced a Christmas, a New Years', his daughter's first birthday, his own 26th birthday, and a Thanksgiving in Viet Nam.
Having heard about instances of veterans with PTSD lashing out and experiencing episodes, he decided to not return to teaching immediately instead opting to get his Master's degree. Having learned to compartmentalizing and process the horrors of war as they happened, LaVille did not experience PTSD, but instead had a deep-seated fear that the Army would again separate him from his family and send him back. This was a fear that was slightly alleviated by American withdrawal in 1972, but not fully abated until his discharge on June 1, 1975, a month after the capture of Saigon by North Vietnamese forces.
While he did not experience direct acts of derision, LaVille did notice that people were less likely to engage with him if they knew he had served. However he has always been willing to share his experiences, telling me about a time he was part of a panel of vets talking to a high school class, noting that many of them were still bitter and not able to move past the cold reception they had gotten from the American public. When asked what the worst part was he noted that you expect war to be terrible and if you can you learn to deal with it, so he said that for him it was the rain. He likened it to someone standing over you pouring a bucket of ice cold water on you for hours at a time without pause. Another veteran on the panel heartily interjected that the rain and monsoon season were indeed terrible to deal with. This light interaction allowed the men to open up and talk about their experiences.
A few years ago LaVille was diagnosed with late stage small cell lung cancer, which had been linked to his exposure to Agent Orange while in country. He was given a limited timeline with treatment and underwent radiation and chemotherapy. He is now approaching nearly 4 years in remission for a cancer he was initially told would not be going into remission. LaVille actively participates in local veterans events and is a contributor to the USO.
Today LaVille resides in Marshalltown, Iowa with his wife and two dogs. He is father to four children, and 7 grandchildren, including myself, and 5 great-grandchildren.
LaVille's Honorable Discharge Certificate and Memo.
A U.S. aircraft disperses the defoliant Agent Orange, now a known carcinogen.
LaVille holding a map he used as an RTO.
LaVille and his wife Cheryl, 2021
A family photo (2000-2001?) LaVille's had is covering my face.